In this episode, Cornell senior Emily Lee and PMA staff member Chris Christensen met with choreographer, dancer, and educator, Jie-Hung Connie Shiau and PMA’s assistant professor of the Practice Danielle Russo to discuss the upcoming Fall '26 presenting series.
*This episode was recorded on September 30, 2026.
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00:00 Music
Chris Christensen 00:11
Hello and welcome to episode 73 of the PMA podcast. In this episode, Cornell Senior Emily Lee and I met with PMA's Assistant Professor of the Practice Danielle Russo and choreographer, dancer, and educator Jie-Hung Connie Shiau to discuss the upcoming fall presenting series. What uh, what's the morning been like so far?
Danielle Russo 00:33
A little chaotic.
Chris Christensen 00:34
Yeah, mine too.
Danielle Russo 00:35
Yeah, yeah. Couldn't find my lecture.
Chris Christensen 00:38
Oh no.
Danielle Russo 00:39
Yeah, but I found it.
Chris Christensen 00:40
Okay.
Danielle Russo 00:40
But there was like an hour of panic. So
Chris Christensen 00:42
all right, is that when? When do you lecture? When is it happening?
Danielle Russo 00:46
Noon.
Chris Christensen 00:47
Okay, so you're all set then.
Danielle Russo 00:48
But I'm all set now. All right, very good.
Chris Christensen 00:51
Connie, were you involved at all? Did you just get have to stand back and provide moral support?
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 00:57
I provide moral support through text, I guess. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I was traveling from, I was walking from the hotel, but this morning was not bad. Yeah, I have my usual timing a little rushed, but made it on time.
Chris Christensen 01:18
Okay, good, good. And you had a bit of a hike from the Statler, of course. So, is that where your hotel was? Were you up at the Statler on campus?
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 01:26
Oh no, it's the Hotel Ithaca.
Chris Christensen 01:28
Why did I assume you were right close by? No, so you had to get. Did you walk up? Did you take an Uber?
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 01:33
Yeah, we took the Uber together.
Chris Christensen 01:35
Smart. That's a bit of a hill. If you haven't walked up Buffalo Street before.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 01:38
I have walked the trails twice.
Chris Christensen 01:41
Okay.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 01:42
Very beautiful.
Chris Christensen 01:44
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How long you been in town for now? This is and this is your last day, right?
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 01:49
This is my last day. I leave tomorrow.
Chris Christensen 01:51
Okay.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 01:52
This is my third week.
Danielle Russo 01:53
Yeah.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 01:54
Yeah.
Danielle Russo 01:55
Yeah.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 01:55
And each time, so I've been the way we're we scheduled the the process. It has been. I've been traveling back and forth between the city and Ithaca. So every time I come up here, I stay three nights, and then I go back to the city when I come up again. So we. This is the third time. Yeah.
Chris Christensen 02:17
Nice, Emily. Welcome back.
Emily Lee 02:20
Thank you.
Chris Christensen 02:21
First podcast of the semester.
Emily Lee 02:23
Mm-hm.
Chris Christensen 02:23
It's been a summer.
Emily Lee 02:24
Yeah,
Chris Christensen 02:24
You had a good summer?
Emily Lee 02:25
It's pretty good summer.
Chris Christensen 02:26
Okay, semester going okay?
Emily Lee 02:28
Mm-hm.
Chris Christensen 02:28
Okay,
Emily Lee 02:29
pretty good.
Chris Christensen 02:30
All right, easy enough. Why don't we just jump right into it, Danielle? Can you start by telling us a bit about the annual dance presenting series, and why it has become such an important part of the PMA performance season.
Danielle Russo 02:43
So the annual dance presenting series is like it's become a fixture in the PMA dance community. It's an opportunity for us to not only showcase student creativity and their own creative authorship, but we have the privilege of bringing in tremendous guests such as Connie Shiau, which we're very excited about this year, and to give the students an opportunity to have a professional modeled setting, so they are functioning like a company. We have 11 dancers in total registered in the course, which is called Rehearsal and Performance, and they are learning, you know, quite complicated repertory, and they're rehearsing it, and they're finding their voices in it, and then we have the opportunity to work with our production staff to have like a professionally modeled, you know, public performance series. We are doing it in the fall this year, which is a bit different from years past, but this gives us the opportunity of also inviting in dance composition students. So this year's season will involve both Connie's repertory work, my own repertory work, and then original work by students.
Chris Christensen 03:48
Did you say dance competition?
Danielle Russo 03:50
Oh, dance composition.
Chris Christensen 03:51
Composition. Okay, I heard that.
Danielle Russo 03:52
I hope it's not a competition. But yeah, dance composition. Yeah.
Chris Christensen 03:56
Okay. Yeah. Very good. Sorry, misheard that. Connie, will you be here during the performances?
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 04:03
I'm hoping.
Chris Christensen 04:04
Okay.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 04:06
I do need to look into my schedule because I will be in my own residency in the city.
Chris Christensen 04:13
Okay.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 04:15
But I'm hoping to make it up here.
Chris Christensen 04:17
All right. Very good.
Emily Lee 04:19
And for Connie, and for listeners who may not be very familiar with your work, how would you describe your artistic voice as a choreographer and performer?
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 04:29
Great question. I am originally from Taiwan, and I received my college dance education in New York, and been freelancing in in the states since since then. That was 2012, and most of my career has been in New York, actually. And I moved to Chicago for two and a half years, and moved back again to New York during the pandemic. So, in my body, I do have a lot of dance information, different dance esthetics, and from a lot of informations from different choreographers and teachers that I have worked with, and now as a freelance choreographer and dancer and teacher, something that I'm really interested is sort of describing or imagining the inner landscape of my own body, so whether that is informed informed by how I form in and out of the society structure from that experience, or how I relate to the word world, how I relate to my myself, the different relationships. So I'm really interested in that sort of inner landscape that is hidden in the body. My movement esthetic, I do quite drawn to things that can feel disjointed in the body and a bit uncoordinated can feel a little quirky, and it can be really versatile, but underneath all that, I feel like there's always a sense of grooviness and a sense of groundedness.
Chris Christensen 06:51
I like that answer.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 06:52
Thank you. Yeah.
Chris Christensen 06:53
When you say quirky, what does that look like?
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 06:58
I'm really interested. Not interested. I I just like fast twitches. I guess I can describe that as crack. Sometimes, yeah, like the action word would be you do a crack, crack, crack. That kind of describe the quality Of the muscularity, I guess.
Chris Christensen 07:25
Okay.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 07:25
And quirkiness. I think it also involves some gestural expression. Yeah.
Chris Christensen 07:34
Okay, and we'll see some of that in this year's performance?
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 07:37
I think so.
Chris Christensen 07:37
Okay.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 07:39
I I also believe that dancers bring has brought their quirkiness into this space, which I really appreciate.
Chris Christensen 07:47
All right, thanks. This is really for both of you. What excites each of you about this year's collaboration?
Danielle Russo 07:54
Oh, well, I'm I'm so I'm not only excited for our students to have the opportunity to to work with Connie and to be a part of her creative process, but selfishly, I'm also just thrilled to have her here as a colleague and a friend. We have we've been working together this past year on a project, and it's been a joy and a delight to kind of yeah welcome her into this other part of my life. That there's always intersections, but you know, it we tend to rehearse in the city, so it's been lovely to be able to have you up to Ithaca and to you know introduce you to PMA and to get to know each other in these different ways and spaces, and and also fold the students into that.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 08:42
Yes, I I agree. Yeah, I just adore Danielle's artistry, expression, and esthetic, and it really was such a joy working with Danielle in the city. And I'm really hoping that project can has its continuous growth, and I'm really looking forward if we dive back into it. And also coming to Cornell now with Danielle bringing me here, it's really cool to see sort of that other life of Danielle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I feel like we get to know each other more outside of studios. Yeah, I feel like this friendship-it's you know-it's-it's growing.
Chris Christensen 09:37
No, that's great.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 09:38
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is something that I'm excited. One of the things I'm excited about and excited for.
Danielle Russo 09:47
We were kind of chuckling at the beginning because you know we obviously talked a little bit about ideas and themes that we wanted to explore for this show, but you know this is beginning of the semester, so it's been go go go, and so I have had a few weeks with the students, and then Connie arrived, and I, you know, sitting there taking notes the first rehearsal, and I was just sort of chuckling to myself because there's synergies already there, where like gestural movements or particular motifs or even like particular ways that she's organizing the space with um within the dancers. I was just like, oh, we already have established motifs here. We have a lot of similar like instincts, which I think has been fun.
Chris Christensen 10:25
Oh, that's great!
Chris Christensen 10:27
Do you think this has sort of set up something for more collaboration down the road outside of here?
Danielle Russo 10:32
I hope so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 10:34
I think so.
Chris Christensen 10:35
Wonderful.
Emily Lee 10:37
And I think you kind of already like talked about this, but for Danielle, what drew you to kind of invite Connie as this year's guest artist?
Danielle Russo 10:46
Yeah, I mean, well, aside from being like a tremendous performer who I've admired for many years, like she's worked for some really just brilliant and influential choreographers of our time, but she's doing her own work, and it really, and it's just, it's also brilliant. And she's really making an impact on the New York City community at present. You're, you know, she's creating a work that she's going to have premiered at the Brushnikov Art Center in December, which is a big deal, and was one of the recipients of their residency, which is a big deal, and and is just generating a lot of work that you know we're all really paying attention to because it's having impact and and I feel like it's important for our students to have experience with like the current space and the current artist and and to be able to yeah to have that part be part of their education. So yeah, I was like, "So, what do you think about coming up to to Cornell, and what would be like a a good schedule? And and we were able to puzzle it together, which I'm really thrilled about. It's amazing, yeah.
Chris Christensen 11:52
Connie, you've worked with many acclaimed companies and artists throughout your career. How does creating a work with Cornell students differ from creating work for professional dancers?
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 12:04
What's different is there's they bring in a sense of freshness. Usually, when I'm in a more professional setting, there the dancer's background is quite diverse, but it is also homogenized in their dance background. Most of the time, they most of them have quite rigorous and proper training, and they gone through really similar structure. And so I feel like sometimes the experience can just be very similar to each other. So to to what they bring to the collaboration or creative space, and working with the Cornell students, they're coming from engineering background, architecture background, English. What else? There's there there are a lot of things that I'm not familiar with, and and they have less they have dance a lot of dance interest and less dance training. So I feel like the way they approach movement is very unique. It's there's there's a oh there's that sense of quirkiness that I really enjoy. Yeah.
Chris Christensen 13:31
Okay. Is there anything you've learned about yourself or your teaching in working with students during this time?
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 13:39
Yes, I think I'm noticing the way I am articulating my words, the way I am creating space, and the way I'm asking for things in this space. I'm I'm trying to I'm constantly learning about that that balance for me because I it's easy for me to make space for people. That's actually the easy part. It's harder for me to ask for things in space, and I feel like learning how to articulate the needs has been quite fruitful, personally.
Chris Christensen 14:27
Okay, thank you.
Emily Lee 14:30
And Danielle, one of the most unique aspects of 1611 PMA 1611 is that it's open to all Cornell students. So, for you, why was it important to create this performance opportunity that welcomes students regardless of experience level?
Danielle Russo 14:47
Well, I think that's the ethos of our department, right? That we are a place for students to, you know, concentrate whether it's a major or a minor, and potentially prepare themselves for a career or something in alignment with these artistic practices and the skills that they've honed through that education, but we're also like a place for you know campus intersection. You know, I think a lot of the the the areas that Connie just described, you know, engineering and and architecture and even like computer science, like those, you could argue those. I mean, they are they are creative practices and they're creative spaces, and so they are already creating with a sense of design and esthetic. And I think it's a beautiful thing for us to offer the opportunity for students who may have had like a you know a background in taking dance classes growing up to continue that, both for their creative practice and also as like just a really healthy outlet, or for folks to get curious. I'm really proud of the students who have jumped in. I think it's so brave, and it's been so beautiful to see the growth that they've made, even just in the last few weeks. The work that Connie's giving them is-it's-it's not easy. It's difficult, and they really like-they've risen to the occasion, and they're taking it very seriously, and they're-they're taking notes, and they're practicing, and the detail is there. It's really beautiful, and I think, yeah, I kind of also echoing what Connie said too. Like there is, I think, a freshness. Um, you know. I think that there is a history in dance training and education, at least from our generation, where the rigor is absorbed, or at least becomes absorbed in a certain kind of way that can sometimes, you know, put focus in particular places and therefore shift us away from other opportunities of ways of engaging, and I think their freshness and their open mind and possibility can also be a great challenge for us as teachers and makers. Yeah, we have you know we have graduate students in the course, and we've had graduate students in the course, but we also have like a first semester freshman, you know, and I think that's they learn from each other, and there's been really beautiful rapport and community, and I think that's important too-that they come together and meet folks just from all across Cornell, so.
Chris Christensen 17:14
Are there ways that you foster that curiosity in the students, or how you encourage them to become more curious?
Danielle Russo 17:22
I mean, I have to say, I think they challenge me to be more curious. Like you know, they have fantastic questions, and it's been you know really wonderful to also. I I enjoy when the guest artist comes. I get to kind of lean back a little bit in a way that I become a witness to the process. So I get to notice things that I don't notice normally, where I'm seeing like the wheels turn, you know, and and and also noticing moments where they're informing each other, and yeah, they're coming, they're seeing things from a different light, which I think is really important as a regular practicing artist of any kind. And it's been fun. They've had great fun questions and insights, and I think I think that's healthy, right?
Chris Christensen 18:06
Okay.
Danielle Russo 18:06
Yeah.
Chris Christensen 18:08
Connie, what do you hope students take away from working with you directly, but also even after the performances have have happened and have passed?
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 18:20
Yeah. Great question. Yeah, as Danielle mentioned, they these are people who have already been in creative spaces, whether that's in language, in numbers, in engineering, architecture, design, and I hope that the this exposure to choreography and dance and creative process is also another discovery for for them to find another creative outlet and just remind themselves that, or remind all of us that we are such multidimensionality. We have, yeah, we have such multidimensionality in our body, and how beautiful is is that? And a reminder that for all of us, that movement is such a instinctual and primal Expression and yeah, I think it's just another another way for them to tap into different layers of them, and and hopefully it also reminds them the joy of moving, and I also hope that they feel empowered by the work that they've put into this space and how they show up for each other and for themselves.
Chris Christensen 19:51
And so you'll be your lecture this this afternoon at noon, not even afternoon. Will you be attending? Is this is this part of the class? Or is this separate?
Danielle Russo 20:01
Oh, it's one of our history, theory, and criticism courses. Okay, but I have nudged the students to engage with opportunities to intersect with Connie throughout her time here. So, on Sunday, for example, we hosted a workshop here at PMA with the Central New York Humanities Corridor. So we had faculty from across the region and also from across campus to work with Connie in her methodologies and process, and also we just kind of talked about you know ways of engaging that as pedagogical approach. But we I opened it up to my students, and several of them came, and some of them came also from that class, which was really exciting, and I think there's been also just like a genuine curiosity as you as a person. Like a lot of our students have just wanted to get a coffee with you, or sit down, or ask questions, or they've come to all of the events. Like we also did like professional directions, and it's been really lovely to see this just really Insistent, earnest, wanting to yeah get as much information and closeness as possible. I think it's really beautiful. Yeah,
Chris Christensen 21:08
yeah. That was one of my questions. Have have the students had an opportunity to meet with you individually? What sort of questions have they brought up? And have you had a chance to say goodbye since today is your last day? I didn't know if this this class that was coming up would be an opportunity to say goodbye, or has that time already come and gone?
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 21:25
I think that will happen in tonight's rehearsal.
Chris Christensen 21:28
Okay, so you have one more rehearsal this evening.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 21:30
Yeah,
Chris Christensen 21:30
Okay, very good.
Danielle Russo 21:32
Yeah, it's hard to believe it went by quite quickly. I mean, we got a lot done, but very fast.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 21:38
Went by really quickly.
Danielle Russo 21:39
Yeah, but we're hoping, you know, we are planning and plotting ways for for her to come up. You know, we still have quite a ways to go until the show, and and so hoping to because there's you know, production is a large part of our process of like, okay, well, you know, how are we going to align our lights and and we're working to create like an immersive space, and so yeah, we're planning and planning. So this won't be the last visit this semester.
Chris Christensen 22:08
Excellent.
Emily Lee 22:09
And Danielle, how do how do students grow during the transition from the first rehearsal to opening night?
Danielle Russo 22:19
I mean, gosh, I think they find their own voices in a way that is, I think, particularly for this generation, really important because it's through their bodies. Like there's a sense of embodiment and kind of awakening parts of their body and their posture, and and with that also their voices and their stories, I just, yeah, a sense of real comfort and curiosity in their own bodies, and a sense of realizing that information that's shared and taught to them can also they can have ownership of that too, right? It's like you can have a conversation with the material. You know, sometimes it's interesting a year or so ago, a student asked me because I started the process off with generating material and then teaching it to them and shaping it, and they were like, "Well, what about our work? And I was like, "Oh yeah, no, we're going to have some collaboration. But I also think like this is an important skill. I mean, it is a skill in the field, and it's not an imposition. It's like an offering, an invitation. Like here's the language, but like how do you want to tell it? Because it's not going to be us up there. It's going to be spoken through their bodies, and so it's always really wonderful to kind of see that incubation process of receiving the material, processing it, and then we watch it being metabolized into something else, and that's that's a nice arc that I think also speaks to any kind of creative process, or just even being a student here. It's like this is an incubation moment, and it's also about you know we were talking about individuation a bit yesterday. It's like yeah, who are you, and what do you care about, and what are your values, and what do you want to do with this time? Like as a platform, you know, you want is performance, and so yeah, they find themselves, and then it's always really exciting to watch when they lead each other, you know, like you know, like oh, I know the material, or or they they teach each other, and and and yeah, take on like these leadership moments without us having to even nudge them to do it, it's just there. And so, and I think in the last three weeks alone, I was telling Connie, I was like, I'm watching some of the students who, you know, it might just think to be honest, it's like their third dance class ever in their lives, and they're moving in ways I have never seen them move, and it's really with confidence, and that's been really beautiful. Yeah.
Chris Christensen 24:43
Oh, that's great.
Danielle Russo 24:43
Yeah.
Chris Christensen 24:45
Without giving too much away, what are you hoping audiences take away from these performances, or what they might experience while attending?
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 24:58
Definitely see a lot of dancing. It will be a really immersive experience, like Danielle mentioned. Yeah, I hope you see their their hearts, their yeah their their interpretation and their their their work their yeah their work
Danielle Russo 25:27
yeah yeah yeah we're having some fun with you know as Connie mentioned with the space we're we're doing it in the round which is not easy for any performer not to mention like you know somebody who might be new to performance and so we've been already rehearsing that way. And so I think also for audiences, they might experience something new. I think perhaps in the round is a little bit more familiar in like a theater space, like you know, kind of like like the acting dramatic space. But for dance, it's it's something that I think it's important to introduce as part of a format that is out there.
Chris Christensen 26:07
Which, which performance space is this taking place?
Danielle Russo 26:09
We're gonna do it in the Flex.
Chris Christensen 26:10
Okay, that makes sense.
Danielle Russo 26:13
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna do it in the Flex, and and we're gonna line the space with seating, and and the dance floor is going to be quite large in the in the center, and you know it's it's also it's a good challenge for the students too. And we were really proud of one student last night said, "Well, can we change our facings now? And we're like, "Oh, sure, because it's like you know you have to really know your directions in a very crucial way that isn't always the case when you're doing like a more kind of forward-facing proscenium type work. It requires a certain like attention, and they were down. Like we didn't mention it; they mentioned it. Right? All right, sure. Let's do that tomorrow. But yeah, we have you know even though we're kind of we're mid process right now, we have come on to a theme for the show that we're also, you know, kind of still working through. But
Chris Christensen 27:08
can you share that?
Danielle Russo 27:08
Absolutely. We're calling the show Liminal, and we're both interested in transitional moments, transitional spaces. You know, I'm I'm working with a poem by Emily Dickinson called "I Dwell Impossibility, and she uses a lot of you know poetic imagery, of course, but the ideas of metaphor of of places of not only like threshold, but also like infinity. And I'm also interested in like fusing that with elemental places of liminal, you know, there's going to be some fog and some haze, and working with that a little bit. But yeah, like kind of, you know, we're in a very. It feels like we're in a liminal moment. Like there's you know a lot of politically speaking, even like you know the threat of ambiguity per se. There's also you know there's sort of existential uncertainty, and so we're we're not necessarily defining it for the students and the dancers, but we're inviting the students and the dancers to kind of perhaps process that for themselves, and also hopefully for the audience to process that for themselves. Yeah.
Chris Christensen 28:25
Okay.
Chris Christensen 28:26
You mentioned fog.
Chris Christensen 28:28
Is is lighting playing a bit into this as well? Is there a large lighting component and sound as well? If you want to speak into that a little bit,
Danielle Russo 28:37
Yeah. I mean, Connie's work works a lot with light and and color, and also the concepts of light.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 28:44
Yeah, I can maybe share a bit of what I'm playing with for my work and also what maybe different elements that goes into production. So along the the liminal theme that we're playing with, the piece has been really inspired by this artist's work. His name is , and he has a series of work that is referencing the spiritual rite in Tibetan Buddhism, in which the body is transformed into light upon death. And I think that sort of that sort of process sort of mirror a process of of self discovery, that transitional moment of yeah the the the moment of transition, either spiritually or or in your belief system, and how you define sort of your your inner boundaries. So I really and and and the artwork itself. It's very colorful, and it's also inspired by the Tibetan Buddhism colors, which I believe there are maybe six or seven main colors. So you will see a lot of colors that are incorporated into the work, whether in lighting, in lighting design, or in Costume design, yeah,
Danielle Russo 30:24
It's really beautiful. Yeah, it's very. I feel like we have a nice spectrum of like bright, and then and also kind of like dusk. Like there's like this sort of like atmospheric spectrum that engages it between the two of our works.
Chris Christensen 30:40
Okay, yeah, there's
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 30:42
a wide a wide range of interpretation. You see the range of interpretation in what what it means to define liminal space.
Danielle Russo 30:52
Yeah,
Chris Christensen 30:53
I'm looking forward to this.
Emily Lee 30:58
And finally, what are each of you most looking forward to between now and the opening night on november 20 and 21st.
Danielle Russo 31:09
Gosh, I mean, I feel like we're at this really pivotal moment right now. You know, Connie has her last rehearsal with like process rehearsal with the students today, and that's a big milestone, I think, for the the semester. So I think I I I'm eager to kind of I'm eager and I'm curious about because we have to pick up my work next week, and they have a lot of information now. So I'm curious and excited about ways of trying to engage them to be open and ready for that expansive capacity, which I think they're already doing quite well. And yeah, I feel like you know we have a lot of clarity about the show moving forward, which creates a lot of possible like room for more possibility.
Danielle Russo 31:59
Like we know we're we're both really clear about our the worlds that we're we're building, like the messages that we're sharing, and so I think now it's just about doing the work and and and getting the people together and making sure everything flows.
Chris Christensen 32:15
Okay.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 32:15
Yeah. I think I'm excited about having this space for them to step into ownership of their of the material of their of the choreography of the of their own body, sort of what Danielle was mentioning before, like sort of learning choreography is also a process of embody embody their own voices into something that is given to them or a task was given to them. So I I hope this space is a really exciting moment for for the students as well as a space for them to keep filling themselves into their body into the space and stay curious about their their tasks, yeah
Danielle Russo 33:22
Yeah. There's also three seniors this year, so it's a little bit of a sentimental show. Like these are students who have been very involved with PMA and also PMA dance, and so I'm excited for them to have their moment because they are doing a lot of work and a lot of yeah, they're just taking on their roles with a lot of conviction, but it makes me sad that this might, you know, we still have spring semester, and they, you know, but um, but in terms of our main stage show, it's you know, it's always, yeah, sentimental,
Chris Christensen 33:55
Sort of the challenging nature of what you do.
Danielle Russo 33:57
I know, yeah, there's like you see these life cycles, and sometimes they circle back. But yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chris Christensen 34:06
No, thank you for sharing that.
Danielle Russo 34:08
Yeah, sure.
Chris Christensen 34:09
Was there anything else that we didn't cover today that you wanted to talk about, or any parting words before we close out?
Danielle Russo 34:16
I suppose I could share that our show also kind of kicks off to a certain degree, like our year-long series, which we're calling "Subject to Change, and it's you know a series of live performances and activations, guest artist residencies, symposia, extracurricular curricular experiences that engage artists, students, and communities in the unfinished, the fugitive, the minor, the contingent, and the not yet legible, and so liminal was born out of that. And yeah, we're just excited to kick off the year with a you know all this energy.
Chris Christensen 34:55
Alright. Connie, is there if if people are want to find out more about you, do you? A website or social media where people can find out more about the work that you do outside of Cornell.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 35:06
Yes, I have a website, jiehungconnieshiau.com, or you can also find me on Instagram.
Chris Christensen 35:15
Okay,
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 35:15
I'm only on Instagram. I believe is Jie-Hung Shiau Connie.
Chris Christensen 35:24
Okay.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 35:26
Yes, you can you can find more about my work, my teaching, my dancing, and those two platforms.
Chris Christensen 35:35
All right. Thanks so much. Thank you both so much for joining us in the podcast studio today.
Jie-Hung Connie Shiau 35:41
Thank you.
